to higher taxes on top earners. tomorrow a group of ceos from ge, wal-mart can afford, chevron will meet with the president and some of them, members of the campaign to fi fixed the debt limit, one of the most provocative and economic thinkers, the author of the israel test and new addition today. thank you for being here. >> great to be here. cs. i think rationally so. we are faced with economic calamity if our politics don't work here. what would you put the odds at that busy rationality and effectiveness reemerge from washington, d.c., on the fiscal cliff? >> zero. lou: i thought that. >> if we can keep the current tax rates, we would continue to increase government revenue. increasing 26% under the bush tax rates over the last two years. over the last two years, government revenues have risen 26%, almost a quarter using the buss tax rates. low tax rates bring more revenues, not less venues. lou: do you interpret all of the drama to be a lack of faith? in front of the growth model that has been demonstrated, as y